How F-List Works Outside of F-List

posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin

Hello everyone. Due to a recent event, and the popularity of F-List, I wanted to clarify our position as it regards to situations that occur outside of F-List. The administration, moderators, and operators of the website have a set of rules and expectations they adhere to when it deals with events that occur on the site. Sometimes, those events occur partially, or fully, outside of F-List, in places that we do not have any power to moderate, influence, or take action on. Even though we help maintain order on this site, it doesn't mean that anyone outside of F-List have to pay us any attention. Some people don't know that, but some people do. You may be asked to leave F-List and interact with others somewhere else. Please understand that it is significantly harder for us to help you, should you require F-List staff to help you, if any important part of it occurred off-site. While you are free to interact with others outside of F-List, you must also assume the risks in doing so. Another facet of this is the interactions about F-List that occur on other websites, and the individuals that may get involved. To be perfectly clear: at no time will a staff member ask you for your password, and no staff member will ask you for your account information outside of staff tools. Staff are allowed to reach you via any method directly on F-List (notes, PMs, tickets, chat, etc) and through email (via the dragonfru.it or f-list.net domains). In the event a staff member DOES reach out to via another method, they will encourage you to send in a ticket so that they can discuss it through official tools. A staff member will never promise that something will go a certain way without an actual investigation into the incident, since we are rarely so well-informed about position that we had already discussed it and came to a decision. Furthermore, we would never show favoritism towards any one party since our roles require absolute objectivity. To recap: Official staff will always communicate, or least direct back to, official channels to discuss matters. We will never compromise our integrity, nor react to any situation purely by emotion. If you do see any of this behavior, please inform the person affected to communicate to us directly on the site so that we can help them. Never ever EVER provide your account details to anyone. For any reason. At all. Not even for the reason you're thinking of. Not that one either. Whatever it is, it's not worth it. I'm sorry about such a serious post, but you guys are important to us and I want to make sure everyone is safe and secure, and, moreover, that people on the outside don't use the trust you have in the staff to take it out on you or your friends.

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Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Meryl G Wilkes
"popularity of f-list"
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dakinu
I like it. :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Streak the Bobcat
I truly believe we'll beat PewDiePie. Someday.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Moth Girl
Like, beat with sticks?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Kadah
We can only hope.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by THE MAIN - Repreive
We may lack the legion of openly adoring dorks that Pewds has, but you have to keep in mind F-List has a much greater scope of clients. Furries are a big deal, as are our non-furs.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Arania Cranmoor
I claim the first place in the name of the Altmeri people!
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Nya
Looks like the Aldmeri Dominion's conquest was a failure.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Motonari Mori
Why would anyone give account details out?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
You would be surprised. This sort of thing happens from time to time in most communities I've been a part of.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Ohmi Tanaka
"Good friends", roleplays where they change profiles, etc.. .. at least that's my guess. I'd never do it, myself; It makes no sense to me.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Motonari Mori
That's a little ridiculous.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
People will go to some surprising extremes for their kinks.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Nya
Also when they want some e-pussy. (or dick, or ass, or whatever you're into)
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dawn Lynn Catherine
Also people making accounts for other people, I know I got asked to make an IB account for someone before and I rejected.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin
Probably because they were banned from the site :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Marshmallow Pharros
Number one rule about developing a product: "Assume your consumer is an idiot" people are stupid and will do stupid things.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Greed_
That's... A good rule.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Flashfox
Hey Motonari I can't log into flist at present, but I really want to contact a friend there. Can I just log into your account so I can send them a message really fast. I'd rather send it myself cause its sort of personal and very important that I send it so please please can I. I mean we've been e-buddies for a few months/year/decade now so I'm surely not going to do anything nefarious. I mean come on I'm a fox you can totally trust me with your password and stuff. It happens, also its important to realise that for everyone web-savey there are many more who are not; who have just not used the internet much to know the potential risks. That and some people are just very trusting of others. In fact most of us are and its moments where people break that trust where we start to put up barriers.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Vuka
So that others can grind out roleplaying XP.
Posted 6d, 18h ago by Lumiere Ciel
omg, That would be a cool system. Having xp for making coherent rp sentences.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Mister Smith
Because people are dumb and gullible. :V
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Vuka
kk
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Jaida Mack
It always baffles me that it ever has to be stated, 'Staff will not ask for your password.' Internet Safety 101.
Posted 1mo, 1w, 4d ago by Tigro Spottystripes
Unfortunately, people don't have to get any sort of certification to be allowed to use the Internet.
Posted 6d, 18h ago by Lumiere Ciel
They should do though.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Toljo
Oh dear.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Shiro Hana
Well said.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kienna
<3<3<3<3
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Arianya
not first
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Rykomi
You are 10th!
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Elias Rivera
You guys are on a roll on this sort of stuff recently! Keep it up~
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Yarn ball
We are? :3
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Elias Rivera
Big time~ News posts used to be kinda rare, but now there's all sorts of clarification posts going up! It's kinda nice to see
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Big Paws and Claws
[color=blue]This newspost smells fishy. [sub]Can I eat it? Please?[/sub][/color]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Noah Campbell
Did you wash your hands first.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Big Paws and Claws
[color=blue]I take good care of my paws, y'know! This cat knows her hygiene pretty well![/color]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin
Then yes, but don't eat too much or else you'll get sick.
Posted 1mo, 3d ago by Cotton Aries
So, uh... what *was* "the event"?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by Felicia the Glutton
'scuse you! I do the eating around here! >:c
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Ruka Villata
Well, seems like it had to be said. No one can blame you if something happens outside. Keep up the good work - you're doing a great job.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Blaze Darksoul
"Never ever EVER provide your account details to anyone." But what if I- "For any reason. At all." Wait; what if- "Not even for the reason you're thinking of." But... how about- "Not that one either."
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by ZaneBroadnax
What if it's a Two people account?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Blaze Darksoul
NOT THAT ONE EITHER
Posted 1mo, 2w, 2d ago by Aviss Cora
Lol. Perfect.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kimala Moonrider
I think some context would be helpful. I had to read this over a few times and I still don't really have any idea what this was all about.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Long story short: Staff won't ask for your account details, neither will we promise to handle something a certain way without first investigating. Also be careful about people trying to lure you offsite, because there's only so much we can do in situations like that.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kimala Moonrider
I get that. As most people are saying, it should be obvious. What I really don't understand though is why anything is going on off-site. Are people claiming to be F-List staff somewhere else on the internet and getting account information from people? I've never met another person who's even heard of F-List anywhere else.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Right. I get you now. Yes, we have had people claiming to be F-list staff and heavily implying some influence on how we run things/offering to intercede on peoples behalf. Probably to try and make people like them. So we're just making sure people are aware that F-list staff will not do that and if you see someone doing that, it needs reporting.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kimala Moonrider
Fair enough. Just sounded like he was referring to some specific incident of which most of us probably weren't aware, so it seemed a lot of information was missing.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Even if there was a specific incident we wouldn't really be able to talk about it. In the interests of protecting peoples privacy.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kimala Moonrider
Of course! I would hope as much. Just trying to explain my confusion.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Gotcha.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by King Viserys
In staff we trust.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Ohmi Tanaka
Makes sense, good things to keep in mind. Also, keep in mind that if you interact with someone through another medium you can usually get some help for that there. Just don't expect staff from one place to help you with another place's trouble.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Soran Jaymes
It truly amazes me that this even has to be posted. If anyone has the, for lack of a better term, stupidity to give out their account information to someone, they have what's coming to them, I say.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Goddess of Victory
Also, remember people, don't drink battery acid and eat paint chips. You know, since we're on the subject of the obvious.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Sion
Seems like it would be common sense at this point in time not to give names and passwords out, even to staff. Guess some things never change.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Imp Midna
Tell that to the people who still, even in these days, keep sharing their information and let other people use their account! [sub]Then complain when that someone does something unscrupulous on their account.[/sub]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Sion
There's always going to be a fool that need to learn lessons the hard way.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by A sandbox
Okay, I'm curious. "Recent event?" What recent event?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
I can't really go into specifics to protect peoples privacy. But needless to say there have been cases of people pretending to be staff. Or otherwise implying they have some ability to influence staff decisions and offering to intercede on peoples behalf. Which, of course, they don't and can't.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by A sandbox
That's dumb. They could invest exactly the same effort into IRS phone scams and walk away with millions instead of some guy's account.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
I think people just have much too much time on their hands. Or perhaps they're just holding a grudge.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Violet Butter
I am mildly terrified of the idea that people think you are either obliged or capable of handling offsite harassment.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Trixie
Yeah, you better watch out for the F-List thugs. They'll call a macro to douse your city in semen. They'll break into your house and make ruin of your condoms. They'll try and rape you, but end up falling over in front of you and letting out shrill "murrs." The horror! [b]THE HORROR![/b]
Posted 3w, 5d ago by Nom De Plume
Thanks for my nightly traumatization, Trixie. I knew I could count on you.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Monkey Queen
People want subtitles bad enough to scam people out of accounts on a site like this? Is that what I'm hearing? Wow. That's a scary thought! Thanks for the continued righteousness.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Elizabeth Braddock
This guy touched me in a special spot on Skype. Halp! [sub]But seriously, thanks for the info![/sub]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Show us on the doll where they touched you.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Elizabeth Eins
But Bro... It doesn't HAVE ONE.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
Oh. >:[ Good point.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kitt 106
Are one of you two going to walk me yet?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
I installed a fox-flap. It's all good. Just don't bring anything disgusting home.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Kitt 106
It's a cat-flap with wing-holes attatched.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Haruki
There is a reason this site encourages people to interact via their characters. It's a slippery slope sometimes when one starts divulging personal info, considering the nature and content here. You want to meet people for off-site reasons, there are more appropriate venues for that online. F-list should stay F-list, and nothing should go outside of it. Common sense folks, that's basically what the staff is reminding us to keep in mind. Stay safe and have fun. ^^
Posted 1w, 6d ago by Darla Masterson
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Wuvvums
I am curious though, if we experience some sort of harassment outside of f-list that can be traced back to a user here might there be any consequence? I guess an example would be you block someone on f-list so they take to stalking your tumblr or furaffinity, or maybe another example might be someone using another platform to "call out" another user in a way that's not allowed on here. I am just curious.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by dareyouenter
Wellll speaking as a user of one off-site mini-platform in which I see bitching about other f-listers occasionally happen: we had one guy getting talked to by mods over his habits and another one person banned, but in those cases the first one had things linked to his f-list itself and the other one was spreading unedited screenshots of PM logs which is pretty evident for who is who. Spreading PM logs with names kept in for purposes of shaming is one things I really think can get jackasses hosed even if they do it off-site.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Wuvvums Whikfield
I see. I can understand screenshots with names edited out for sharing or comedic purposes which I see some of, but I meant outright shaming and harassment. I am glad that that is not without consequence since it might make people think twice about bullying another user.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by dareyouenter
Those screenshots didn't have names edited out. They really done goofed. (Altho they didn't directly just go and post them online, they shared them with a third party, who shared them further, until it eventually reached somebody with a personal grudge against the screenshotter who posted them openly specifically in order to get them banned. Internet drama gets pretty crazy.)
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Wuvvums
Sounds crazy. Additionally I sometimes can find logs by googling them. Like I found a log on pastebin of a room chat I was in. But if it's a log of a room then it's much harder to trace back who uploaded those logs.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin
That's difficult to do, under the best of circumstances. The evidence would need to be in a medium that couldn't have possibly been altered, that clearly states, both the offense and positive, and independently verified confirmation that both parties' identification unerringly proves that they are from F-List. It has happened before, that we were able to take action, but it's rare.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trey Murphy
F-list popular? Nah that can't be right
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Vice Admiral Poharan
Compared to what it was a few years ago it's quite popular now.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trey Murphy
Hmm a tadbit more I suppose though it's still hard to find halfway decent rp'ers half the time.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin
The fact that you find them at all is why I believe in our growing popularity. Some of the other sites I've seen... sheesh.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trey Murphy
I suppose that is a pretty valid point there, I've been to a few other chat sites and what not and it doesn't seem to have too many active members.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
A tadbit? The sites active population has almost tripled since I joined a few years back. :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trey Murphy
I see, well I've only been here for roughly a year and a half, the characters online seem to stay rather constant as well as who's really active in the few rooms I frequent on a day to day basis. It never seem to grow exponentially, to me anyways.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Johnathan One
That might depend upon your time zone and when you're on. When I first joined about 3 and a half years ago 2000 people was a lot. Now we're regularly pushing 7500+. I realize a lot of those are alts of the same person, but that's still a lot. Also keep in mind it's a gradual increase over time. You probably won't notice a difference day to day.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Sion
A "tadbit" more? You clearly haven't been following site traffic. During prime time hours, numbers jump to almost 6500-6800 characters online simultaneously. Same time last year numbers were 5300-5500 characters online simultaneously. This place has become one of the largest RP communities on the internet. It's the largest jump I've seen in a year and I've been here since near the beginning. I can't really comment on 'quality' because that's subjective. Even on a site that sorts everyone by interests, it's still difficult to find compatibility with people. I feel you on that part.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trey Murphy
That is a pretty high jump once you think about it though at the same time I know people who are on multiple characters at once or are afk so it's not as many people jumping on the site as you'd think but I do believe a large group of new rp'ers have probably made their way here. Yea the quality aspect does sadden me, I've seen plenty of times people tend to exaggerate what they are capable of or overshoot what they want from their partner, mostly dealing with how fluent one is in English. That or people not responding after a while or at all among other things.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Johnathan One
It gets even higher than that on a particularly good day. The highest recorded number since the last server restart was 7542.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 2d ago by Crissa Kentavr
I remember when that was all of IRC...
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Wilhelmina Vandom
Good to see common sense still isn't common.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by Axel H Stone
Are you kidding? It's become a superpower at this point.
Posted 1w, 6d ago by Erik Masterson
You've just given me an idea to put into my list of absurd super heroes! Common Sense Man, to the rescue!
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by GamerGirl Erika
It's kind of funny how it needs to be stated to not give your account info to anyone or that F-List mods can't do anything if their interactions were off-site. Everyone knows F-List mods secretly mod Skype and Facebook too! That being said, good to see mods pay attention to what goes on in the site~
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Erin Stainthorpe
It's nice that they take the time to make it clear instead of just being condescending to people about it.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Dave the Pangolin
Oh man... if I was a mod on Facebook, I'd need an alcohol budget.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Ares
I can say from personal experience that the mods on FB don't do shit, so I doubt that. To be honest, the system here could be improved, but you guys, from what I've seen, actually care about the site and do your duties to the best of your abilities. On the other hand, I reported a video of some sick fuck burning a cat to death with a blowtorch on FB the other day, and they said it wasn't violent enough to be removed.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Johnathan One
You saw that? I reported that too and got the same response. However I filed negative feedback and explained precisely why it was actually a violation of their rules. Whoever reviewed it apparently agreed and took it down. I'm assuming someone higher up the chain handled it. If it's still up because someone else uploaded it you might need to do the same.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Ares
Yeah, but. This is over ten times now that FB has done this in my personal experience. Their mods do not give even half of a shit unless the video is mass-reported, which I know for a fact that video was.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Johnathan One
I dunno about you but I found it because someone posted about it on Imgur. So that makes more sense now, yeah.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Ares
Yeah, I found it on Imgur too. That's how it got mass reported. Personally, I wish they'd doxxed the piece of shit, but that's not talk for f-list.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Hikari Love
For some reason Facebook's rules for what can be posted are non-existent. It doesn't matter how rude, obscene or violent the picture is, it's allowed because its easier for their job.
Posted 2w, 5d ago by Thax Tursan
My feed gets spammed with passive aggressive military posts against immigrants. Sickens me.
Posted 2w, 5d ago by Hikari Love
I just remember someone posting a picture of Barack Obama photoshopped with a dick in his mouth. Somehow THAT'S ok because when I reported it, the person laughed at me and told me to quit being a little bitch.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Patchi
My beans do not touch anyone in real life.
Posted 1w, 6d ago by Erik Masterson
Most accurate description of my sex life by a random stranger on the internet ever.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Aya-chan
So wait. If someone says something mean about me on the Neopets I can't send a ticket on F-list? :C
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Vice Admiral Poharan
Ahaha. I'm sure nobody will say anything on Neopets because that website is almost completely dead.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Volt Dragonborn
What about Club Penguin?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Lord of Darkness
Someone keeps starving my neopets and I'm p. sure F-list staff won't do anything about it. :'{
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Trixie
[i]"... I'm sorry about such a serious post, but you guys are important to us and I want to make sure everyone is safe and secure, ..."[/i] [b][sub]T-Trixie is not a baby! SHE CAN TAKE CARE OF HERSELF![/sub][/b]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Johnathan One
Are you certain the great and powerful Trixie wouldn't like some peanut butter crackers? :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Trixie
[eicon]trixiebox[/eicon] ... [sub]"Leave the crackers by the box... [b]AND THEN YOU SHALL LEAVE THE GREAT AND POWERFUL TRIXIE BE!"[/b][/sub]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Nicoaliev Katynka
*leaves dank memes in the box*
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Volt Dragonborn
*You've attracted a swarm of Semi-rare pepes*
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Trixie
ohnopls
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Johnathan One
All hail the great and powerful Trixie! \ o /
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Trixie
Yes! See! Trixie has a Global Moderator worshiping her. At this rate, Trixie should take her rightful place as the owner of F-List... [b]and the whole of the internet.[/b] [sub]she just hopes the original owners will continue to pay for it, for trixie instead.[/sub]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 2d ago by Johnathan One
Nah. I'm just trying to butter you up so I can learn MAGIC.
Posted 1mo, 2w ago by Trixie
[sub](frowning horse noises)[/sub]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 5d ago by Marstan
Geez. I feel like a post like this has a better place in the Code of Conduct, rather than in the news. You might aswell copy/paste it straight from here into there.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Johnathan One
No. None of this is really new information and most of it is already in the Code of Conduct. This is mostly just a reminder since recent events have made it clear we needed to reiterate a few things. Newsposts are our most effective way of disseminating information quickly. So we used one. :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Cherry Phox
I feels... Like I will not poke anyone here. Cherry Approves of this Post.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Sailor Mercury
I don't even give my family access to my computer. I have a separate laptop for them to use whenever they are around and need a computer. Why? They are MAGNETS for viruses and malware. LOL
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Haley Mai Verline
I have the (mis)fortune to sell electronics for a living; PEOPLE are magnets for viruses and malware. Of course that's really very harsh, but what even?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by Lucy McKenzie
The worst virii are usually the external ones.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 4d ago by Odo Ital
The story behind this can't be good. I just hope whoever it is wasn't hurt.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Havik Wolfs
I always wondered, why? I know people share accounts on the internet, but why would anyone want to share a F-list or account or even give out the information? What could you possible need in order to want do that?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Dranakini
Stay in school kids.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Nicoaliev Katynka
THis post is like shit everyone should've already known. >If two people consent to interact offsite by means of another method of communication, all outside communication and actions preformed therein lie outside the jurisdiction of f-list staff. >Don't give out your fuggin password, nobody except you should have that. I guess some people are just really thick though.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Gaz Firehead
I've been gone a few days. What happened to require an update like this?
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Johnathan One
Nothing anyone could go into any sort of specifics about. But it's pretty much what it says on the tin really.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Gaz Firehead
Well yeah, people are always being dumb like that, but it must've been big to warrant this kind of official response.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Johnathan One
More just a case of there being a lot of people lately having account security issues because they did something silly like give someone their password. It's not any one situation that caused it. We just wanted to issue a reminder to help curb it a little. :P
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Clarke
I was hoping this was some F-List Inception. Dang. [i]I have to go deeper.[/i]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 3d ago by Volt Dragonborn
*Insert generic sexual innuendo here*
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by Johnathan One
Heh. You said insert.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by Volt Dragonborn
[i]Dammit. He's onto us.[/i]
Posted 1mo, 2w, 2d ago by Taluwen
Well said. It never hurts to remind people that outside of F-List, they're on their own and need to take precautions. It should be common sense, but not always.
Posted 1mo, 2w, 2d ago by Airy Arias Tej
[i]To recap: Official staff will always communicate, or least direct back to, official channels to discuss matters. We will never compromise our integrity, nor react to any situation purely by emotion. If you do see any of this behavior, please inform the person affected to communicate to us directly on the site so that we can help them. Never ever EVER provide your account details to anyone. For any reason. At all. Not even for the reason you're thinking of. Not that one either. Whatever it is, it's not worth it. I'm sorry about such a serious post, but you guys are important to us and I want to make sure everyone is safe and secure, and, moreover, that people on the outside don't use the trust you have in the staff to take it out on you or your friends.[/i] ...So, Admins can Help you and are your friends...:lif-gasp: "[color=red]Admins are Friends, not Food?[/color]" Admins have helped me...Admins were 99% Friendly and professional...O.O /le hugs teh administrators
Posted 1mo, 2w, 1d ago by -Taurus-
As much as common sense as this already is, it always bears repeating. Even louder for the people thick of comprehension. Not that I doubt that staff impersonation happens, I just find it puzzling that not only do people think it'll work but that there are still people who fall for it!
Posted 1mo, 2w ago by Nostik
At the risk of getting temp or perma banned, or a strike, i will say this. Don't be stupid or fucking dumb. You sir, or ma'am, are doing your best to keep us happy and safe. Don't apologize for it. It basically shows that you guys care for us, even if we can be complete assholes sometimes. Ok, a lot of times xD But seriously, don't apologize. At the end of the day, you were just doing your job c: what's left is for us to either take it or leave it. Anyways dankies! Pleasedontbanmepleasedon'tbanmeQ.Q lol xD
Posted 1mo, 2w ago by Volkan
Ah, favored meatling Dave, I have a question to ask! If an F-list user is being targeted in systemic harassment across multiple social media platforms and the things that happen on F-list alone are not enough to warrant action against the harasser, are you saying you will ignore what is happening outside of F-list when evaluating tickets? It is my personal belief as CEO of Styxcorp, connoisseur of fine suits, VSOP brandy, and Completely Legally (TM) import cigars that if I were running F-list I'd let such harassment happen! No skin off my nose. *Tongueflick* What about you?
Posted 1mo, 2w ago by Dave the Pangolin
Greetings! That is a unique perspective of it, but inherently true. I'll explain why. If a user, let's call them Jane Smith, knew me on both Facebook and F-List, and they started harassing me on F-List, I wouldn't be able to report that to Facebook. They would tell me that since the incident didn't occur there, they would have no control. The same rule applies here. In order to defeat any investigation, it just requires one person being dishonest, and there is no reasonable expectation that a website moderation team has the resources to investigate each incident based on its frequency. Each website is control of its own moderation, and users should report the harassment on the site that it occurred on. It's kind of like buying a Honeywell toaster, then yelling at GE because it doesn't work.
Posted 1mo, 2w ago by Volkan
Hello! So, to expand upon that, if a user on Facebook had the same character art on their profile on Facebook as they did on F-list, made the unusual decision to link from Facebook to F-list and vice versa, repeatedly did something silly like, say, post "you're a darling little girly boi hellhound, aren't you mr. frufrumcsnugglemuffin" or something that a mortal bully would actually say on Facebook before moving to F-list and saying "Hey, mr frufrumcsnugglemuffin!" only the part of the incident that occurred on F-list would be considered? I'm asking because I recently had a man threaten to break my neck on Telegram, threaten to shoot me via Facebook, and threaten to beat me on Skype with his accounts linked from one network to the next - often bidirectionally. He went to third parties on Skype and Telegram to make threats to me through them after I blocked him and had things waiting for me on Facebook when I signed on the next day. There's a possibility he could be an F-list user - he is unfortunately a furry. I'm of course taking additional action beyond simply reporting him to the site administration, but it certainly makes my life a lot easier when harassment is stopped the instant it begins. So, for my moment of perfect clarity with no shadow of a doubt would this be taken into account by F-list moderation teams when making an administrative decision - if it looked like someone was deliberately referring to threats made offsite or otherwise intentionally connecting themselves to something this dire or not? Most social media sites say 'not'.
Posted 1mo, 4d ago by Dave the Pangolin
The short and sweet of it is: if he did any of those things on F-List, we would certainly take action. As it is, you can report it via Facebook, Telegram, and Skype and they will (should) take action against him there. Anything anyone does on the internet leads back to them, even with the most stringent of anti-security methods ("can't stop the signal, Mal"). If you don't report it, or you lash out at them to the point where you're not the innocent party anymore, you make things more complicated. The best bet is, if someone says those things to you, just report it. I've been running sites for years now, and I've been threatened hundreds of times by banned users. Not responding is the best way to deal with these individuals (read: not the only way) because eventually they lose interest. The rare few that don't simply make it easier for people like law enforcement to track them down and deal with it in the real world.
Posted 1mo, 4d ago by Volkan
I have a leadership position in my state's fandom and believe in inclusion of all people to the maximum extent possible so long as it doesn't impinge on other peoples' inclusion and it keeps people safe. I don't get the luxury of lashing out at people. Maybe a bit more than you do, as I'm a volunteer and you're a professional (profurssional?), but still, it's not my place to verbally spank adults who don't adult. He lives a 5 minute walk away from the largest furmeet in my region. This complicates things. It was bad enough that he was instantly banned from Facebook and Skype. It took me 5 minutes with the former, 30 minutes with the latter. Telegram support hid from me. Skype is standing by with their law enforcement team. Their response was something like "holy shit!" This is an extreme scenario. The theoretical problem I'm having is he could come on here, identify himself as himself to me, and do things such as allude to threats he's made off-site without ever making a direct threat on F-list itself. I.E. saying something like "I'm feeling like target practice today, you should join me" coming from an account that was unmistakably his would sound innocent enough unless put in context of him talking to friends about shooting me. If that context is off-site, then he could go on to talk about, depending on his character, crushing the spines of his enemies, etc, with impunity. Here's what I'd like to see: "Do not use F-list to intentionally contact people who have explicitly told you - via any venue - to leave them alone." This would allow you to address cases like mine and give you the flexibility to address the cases depending on their severity. It also makes it incumbent on the person contacted to demonstrate they have cut off from the user in question and allows an appeal to be made by the person in question if the person contacted has ever invited further contact. The specifics of the drama in question are minimally important, the cut-off is the emphasis and the reason for the cut-off could dictate the severity of staff action. ...of course this'd need to have a "no BS" clause. Also on an aside, I am waiting for him to lose interest as it ultimately preserves everyone's freedom, but I have enough information about him that law enforcement wouldn't need to track him down, just drive over and pick him up. I think this is a useful case study. It'll certainly be something that, after it's passed completely, I'll mull over.
Posted 1mo, 1w ago by Ayane Mitarashi
[color=gray][i]Glad to have clever Pangolins around to explain the complicated stuff to us [color=purple][b]ninja[/b][/color], [color=cyan][b]nyans[/b][/color], [color=green][b]nymphs[/b][/color], [color=black][b]necromancers[/b][/color], and [color=brown][b]neanderthals[/b][/color]. Joshin' aside, I am always similarly surprised to find people reiterating this particular user warning. And then I remind myself that people turn 18 everyday.. use the internet for the first time everyday.. become more responsible for more of their lives. Sooo, someone's got to remind people not to make bad decisions and to at least look at others with healthy, and hopefully lighthearted, skepticism instead of open-heart vulnerability. And I do always find it both irritating and mildly disgusting that people go so far as to lure someone offsite before showing their true colors. =S[/i][/color] [indent][color=purple][sub][i]((P.S. Internets, why you always gotta make it easier for the assholes out dere? Sincerely, a curious Nymphja.))[/i][/sub][/color][/indent] [color=gray][i]Again, it's nice to know you folks are looking out for your users. EVEN if pretty much all of the users needing that protection are probably too clueless to even [b]check[/b] the newsfeed. >__>[/i][/color]
Posted 1mo, 1d ago by Manek Iridius
It took a newspost to say "We can't do things about events that occur elsewhere"?
Posted 3w, 5d ago by Gwen_Tenns
And the haters at 8Chan and Kiwi begin their snickering.